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	<description>on marketing, higher education and Edge Hill University</description>
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		<title>By: Haga</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-10097</link>
		<dc:creator>Haga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on now. By the way, I know you want a smoking gun from universities, but this is  a good way to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on now. By the way, I know you want a smoking gun from universities, but this is  a good way to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Sample Essay &#171; Welcome to my Blog</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-6743</link>
		<dc:creator>Sample Essay &#171; Welcome to my Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bayfield, R 2007, Are students customers? Retrieved 16 August 2008 from http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bayfield, R 2007, Are students customers? Retrieved 16 August 2008 from <a href="http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CAKES: learning technology blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Use of Blogs at Edge Hill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-6119</link>
		<dc:creator>CAKES: learning technology blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Use of Blogs at Edge Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - like marketing. It is interesting as a perspective on Edge Hill University, for example the Are Students Customers? conversation. There are other blogs on blogs.edgehill.ac.uk but the others aren&#8217;t currently [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; like marketing. It is interesting as a perspective on Edge Hill University, for example the Are Students Customers? conversation. There are other blogs on blogs.edgehill.ac.uk but the others aren&#8217;t currently [...]</p>
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		<title>By: star</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-4577</link>
		<dc:creator>star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like your view</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like your view</p>
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		<title>By: Terrence</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-3683</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the student is a customer, whether we like it or not. maybe we wouldnt like to call them that, since the danger&#039;s of them claiming for consumer satisfaction but affect the way they think of their education. however, if you consider the fact that they are simply paying to receive a service,and that is all there is is to it. the only difference is that the &quot;customer&quot; in this case has to make the necessary efforts in gaining the satisfactory results in his education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the student is a customer, whether we like it or not. maybe we wouldnt like to call them that, since the danger&#8217;s of them claiming for consumer satisfaction but affect the way they think of their education. however, if you consider the fact that they are simply paying to receive a service,and that is all there is is to it. the only difference is that the &#8220;customer&#8221; in this case has to make the necessary efforts in gaining the satisfactory results in his education.</p>
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		<title>By: Mister Roy&#8217;s musings &#187; Marketing Excommunication</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-1145</link>
		<dc:creator>Mister Roy&#8217;s musings &#187; Marketing Excommunication</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is a good platform for this as it is such a reliable hackle-raiser. This semantic issue was discussed here at length last year. It&#8217;s a debate that does need to be reopened (even in a non-Church-based [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is a good platform for this as it is such a reliable hackle-raiser. This semantic issue was discussed here at length last year. It&#8217;s a debate that does need to be reopened (even in a non-Church-based [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Peel Away Ads</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-588</link>
		<dc:creator>Peel Away Ads</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Peel Away Ads...&lt;/strong&gt;

Peel Away Ads...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Peel Away Ads&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Peel Away Ads&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Web Services &#187; Can you find what you're looking for?</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Services &#187; Can you find what you're looking for?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 09:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] not be quite as important as businesses who are selling products and services (unless you believe students are customers) we do need to ensure that people are able to find what they&#8217;re looking for on our sites. We [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not be quite as important as businesses who are selling products and services (unless you believe students are customers) we do need to ensure that people are able to find what they&#8217;re looking for on our sites. We [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue I have with using the term &quot;customer&quot; is that it has connotations of retail. Retailers, especially Tesco and the like, will always back down when a customer complains, due to the intense competition of the marketplace, meaning an unhappy customer can easily go elsewhere for their goods. Consequently, they adopt the attitude that the customer should be pleased at all costs, no matter how unreasonable their demands, to avoid this happening. While HE is also competitive, students, and other non-students who use our services will inevitably start to expect this overly-compliant attitude if given this term. The term &quot;student&quot; is better as their purpose for being here is in the term - to study, not to &quot;consume&quot; like a customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue I have with using the term &#8220;customer&#8221; is that it has connotations of retail. Retailers, especially Tesco and the like, will always back down when a customer complains, due to the intense competition of the marketplace, meaning an unhappy customer can easily go elsewhere for their goods. Consequently, they adopt the attitude that the customer should be pleased at all costs, no matter how unreasonable their demands, to avoid this happening. While HE is also competitive, students, and other non-students who use our services will inevitably start to expect this overly-compliant attitude if given this term. The term &#8220;student&#8221; is better as their purpose for being here is in the term &#8211; to study, not to &#8220;consume&#8221; like a customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.edgehill.ac.uk/next_to_the_circle/2007/03/11/are-students-customers/comment-page-1/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try and draw some threads together, just to get some things straighter in my own head.  

Richard says &#039;Labels are important but the relations underlying them are more important still.&#039; Perhaps labels are _only_ important in so far as they affect how people are treated? If labels define relationships then all parties are affected, eg if students play a customer role then university staff play a vendor role.

University staff can if they wish &#039;label&#039; students in many ways and we have rehearsed some of these. No label has ultimate validity (the map is not the territory) but any label may or may not be helpful and we can see our differing views on the relative utility of some of them. 

If students _themselves_ *decide* to act as customers in certain situations (eg their approach to choosing courses and universities) then universities have to deal with that _somehow_ - if only by defining clearly where/when the customer relationship ends and inducting/educating people into the &#039;different&#039; student role, which includes responsibility for learning (the gym analogy), effort (Sue&#039;s investor analogy), selectivity (not everyone can benefit from playing), community membership etc.   

I would be inclined to go a bit further and &#039;think of them as customers&#039; to ensure that the services, structures and practices _surrounding and supporting_ learning and the student relationship do meet students&#039; needs in the best possible way (at least better than the alternatives of other universities or non-HE lifestyles, for those who can benefit from HE.) 

However I don&#039;t think a sort of &#039;marketing fundamentalism&#039; that says the whole architecture of customer relations and associated terminology is necessary and sufficient is not appropriate in a university situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll try and draw some threads together, just to get some things straighter in my own head.  </p>
<p>Richard says &#8216;Labels are important but the relations underlying them are more important still.&#8217; Perhaps labels are _only_ important in so far as they affect how people are treated? If labels define relationships then all parties are affected, eg if students play a customer role then university staff play a vendor role.</p>
<p>University staff can if they wish &#8216;label&#8217; students in many ways and we have rehearsed some of these. No label has ultimate validity (the map is not the territory) but any label may or may not be helpful and we can see our differing views on the relative utility of some of them. </p>
<p>If students _themselves_ *decide* to act as customers in certain situations (eg their approach to choosing courses and universities) then universities have to deal with that _somehow_ &#8211; if only by defining clearly where/when the customer relationship ends and inducting/educating people into the &#8216;different&#8217; student role, which includes responsibility for learning (the gym analogy), effort (Sue&#8217;s investor analogy), selectivity (not everyone can benefit from playing), community membership etc.   </p>
<p>I would be inclined to go a bit further and &#8216;think of them as customers&#8217; to ensure that the services, structures and practices _surrounding and supporting_ learning and the student relationship do meet students&#8217; needs in the best possible way (at least better than the alternatives of other universities or non-HE lifestyles, for those who can benefit from HE.) </p>
<p>However I don&#8217;t think a sort of &#8216;marketing fundamentalism&#8217; that says the whole architecture of customer relations and associated terminology is necessary and sufficient is not appropriate in a university situation.</p>
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